Energy diversification has become a priority for Turkey after the downing of the Russian warplane near Syria, Suat Kınıklıoğlu, executive director of Ankara’s Center for Strategic Communication, told New Europe in an interview. Speaking on the sidelines of the Athens Security Forum 2016:Searching for a Modus Vivendi in Relations between the West andRussia, organized by the Hellenic Foundation for European and Foreign Policy (ELIAMEP) and NATO, Kınıklıoğlu discussed the chilling ties between Moscow and Ankara, their impact on energy, plans for gas exports from the eastern Mediterranean to Europe, Turkey’s relations with NATO and the EU, and President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s risky politics.

New Europe: You said during the conference that Turkey miscalculated the reaction of Russia and normalisation is difficult. Is this changing the energy outlook for Turkey?

Suat Kınıklıoğlu: Yes, it certainly does. As you know, Turkey imports 58% of its gas from Russia and as soon as the crisis broke out, the first thing Turkey did was talk to the Azerbaijanis, the Qataris, the Kurds and now with Israel because normalisation is very much motivated by the gas component because finally – we should have done this earlier – diversification has become a very important part of Turkish thinking after this incident with the Russians.

NE: Do you think there will be normalisation with Egypt?

SK: I don’t know. It’s tough because the [Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-] Sisi’s regime obviously they see the Muslim Brotherhood as the big threat and my understanding is Ankara wants a guarantee that they won’t be hanged, that they would be pardoned. I don’t know whether the Sisi regime is ready for that. But obviously the Egyptians also have an interest of normalising with Turkey, but I have little information about the current state of negotiations. But what is interesting is these conditions seem to be very effective in how the Israelis treat their bilateral dealings with Turkey.

NE: Also there is energy cooperation between Israel, Cyprus and Greece. Can there be cooperation in energy with Turkey?

SK: Of course, the Israeli gas, if it is even shipped through pipeline in Turkey, it has to go through Cypriot economic zone, I think, so there will have to be discussions with the Cypriots. Of course, if Cypriot unification will happen, then that would be done in much more positive climate. We don’t know. I never promise anything on Cyprus because each time you are optimistic about it something wrong happens. I hope this will happen because we all want at least that problem to be resolved. Turkey now has a lot of problems on its plate so one resolution of the Cyprus issue, followed up by Turkish-Israeli normalisation in tandem with Egyptian-Turkish normalisation would, of course, be quite important for Turkey and would be very positive for the Eastern Mediterranean.

NE: Is Turkey going back to better relations with NATO?

SK: As soon as Turkey shot down the Russian airplane, the first think Ankara did is they went to NATO. I think Erdogan increasingly realises that Turkey’s traditional security relationships are really the ones that matter. And the [US President Barack] Obama administration has also been very careful to show solidarity with Turkey against Russia although the relationship with Russia was very good but one incident instantly has transformed it. So I think we will see further cooperation between NATO and Turkey and hopefully over time a little bit more deepening alliance relationship with NATO. Nevertheless, the warming up of relations with NATO was not by choice but necessity.

NE: How about ties with the EU?

SK: With the EU the focus is on the refugee crisis. The European are really keen to assure that Turkey stops the flow of refugees. Of course, there are some chapters open in the negotiations but whether this will lead to something larger remains to be seen.

NE: Are energy ties with the EU discussed since Turkey wants to become a transit state?

SK: For instance, if Israeli gas comes to Turkey, it could easily be forwarded to Europe through the Turkish network. There is a lot of gas in the Kurdish region. And, of course, don’t forget Iran. Now with the sanctions lifted, Iranian gas could also come through Turkey to Europe. Turkey is very keen on this energy hub-transit country phenomenon and I think they are now opportunities with Israeli gas, Egyptian gas, Kurdish gas, Iranian gas. Europe also has an interest in lessening its dependence on Russia.

NE: Is Turkish Stream dead?

SK: I don’t know. It depends on the Russians. What I know is with the current political situation, the discussions are really sort of on hold right now.

NE: You mentioned at the conference that Turkey is a risky country. You mean geopolitically risky?

SK: Well, internally the situation is getting really, really bad. I mean Erdogan has polarised the country so much, freedom of expression, pressure on the media, on intellectuals and academics. There is quite a bit of tension in the country. The confrontation with the PKK means that every day some soldier, some police officer is killed. Of course, there are also civilian casualties in the fighting, civilians who are caught in between so it puts a lot of pressure. I am very much concerned as Erdogan continues to polarize the country and is far from being a unifying or compromising personality.

NE: But with the Kurdish leadership, the relationship is good…

SK: In Iraq. Not with the Kurdish leadership in Turkey, which is of course an irony in itself.

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